Tuesday, August 31, 2010

What do they think

From time to time I like to look outside the US to find out what people are thinking.  Sometimes I catch some flack for it..  I think that's mostly because sometimes the media in other countires isn't saying what we want to hear.  Sometimes it goes against the image our own media wants to create about how we, and our leaders are portrayed overseas.


Marwan Bishara








I've been reading some of  Marwan Bishara blog's. 

This is what his Bio has to say;;  Marwan Bishara is Al Jazeera's senior political analyst.  He was previously a professor of International Relations at the American University of Paris. An author who writes extensively on global politics, he is widely regarded as a leading authority on the Middle East and international affairs.

He's also Palestinian born in  Nazareth. Israel, there's no question that contributes to his beliefs.

Just like like here, where FOX and to a much lesser extent CBS shape public opinion, Al Jazeera has a great deal of influence.  By Middle Eastern standards it's realitively moderate.  Regardless of your politics, you may not like what you see. 




 US wars: People vs Generals

 While the Obama administration continues to affirm its intention to withdraw US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, the US' military presence in the Muslim world is actually expanding and this is exacerbating tensions and inflaming animosities




This is most evident in the withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq and the corresponding surge in Afghanistan - an exercise in redeploying military forces, not extracting them.


As the gap between words and deeds; declarations and policies; public diplomacy and military strategy deepens, so the political and strategic crisis facing the Obama administration continues to deepen.

Enduring presence

There are now more than 140,000 foreign troops in Afghanistan - from the 100,000 Americans to the three Austrians - in an estimated 400 bases.

But, almost a decade after it invaded and a year after the adoption of a new AfPak strategy, the escalation of fighting there serves to underline the failure of the US to implement an effective counter-insurgency strategy.


Read the entire Blog


 
 
I'd love to have him explain this one to a room full of American Women;
 
Western wars vs. Muslim women
 
Western media is awash with reports about Taliban mistreatment of women in Afghanistan and Pakistan that feature countless voices in support of the war to secure a 'brighter future for women's rights'. This week's Time magazine cover story is a case in point
 

I found it, not part of the article.  Count on Time
to feature Journolista Joe Kline
If Western wars 'liberate' Eastern women, Muslim women would be - after centuries of Western military interventions - the most 'liberated' in the world. They are not, and will not be, especially when liberty is associated with Western hegemony.


Afghanistan has had its share of British, Russian and American military intervention to no avail.


Find it here 

Be sure to email it to every Democratic Woman's organization in the county.  Might help resolve the 51 Park Ave Mosque issue.  He also forgets that by the time of the Crusades, Islam had already done a number on Christianity in Turkey, Parts of eastern Europe, Spain, Parts of Greece,  Egypt and tried to take France..



Wars, lies and lyrics

Surprise, surprise ... the US government did not tell the whole truth, yet again, about its war conduct, and indeed misled the public about the true record of the war.







personally have not met anyone who has been shocked by the revelations in the documents published by WikiLeaks, but many are surprised - not so much by the novelty of it all, but rather by the mundane repetition of more of the same deception.


It is déjà vu all over again. Governments lie, especially about war and violence. And the media as well as the elites remain numb and indifferent until their wars go sour and begin to hurt at home as we saw in Iraq after 2005 and today in Afghanistan.


Unlike what mainstream conventional media would have you believe, democratic governments are worse at lying than autocratic or totalitarian ones.


Because unlike their democratically elected counterparts, autocratic or totalitarian governments just do not have the same need for it because they do not seek public approval or ratings.


In fact, the more accountable they are to their citizens, the more sinister and dangerous are the leaders' lies.


Wow,  as you finish reading it here, remember, this guys a moderate by some peoples standards




Peace bullish or 'bullshit'

The good news: "Netanyahu to give peace process a 'robust push". The bad news, any rational person privy to the ideology and makeup of the Israeli government knows this is not serious.



And yet, after their meeting, Barack Obama, the US president, has publically supported his Israeli interlocutor, saying he believed Binyamin Netanyahu would take "risks for peace" and praised the Israeli prime minister for easing the blockade on the Gaza Strip.





Obama also called for "direct talks" between Israelis and Palestinians irrespective of the continued illegal settlements.



All of which begs two questions: How does a defunct and discredited diplomatic process continue to masquerade as a success despite its utter failure? And why do the US and its Western allies continue to finance and pamper it when it creates more instability and conflict than peace and progress?


The short answer is bullshit.


In an attempt to define bullshit and theorise about its uses and meanings, Harry Frankfurt, the Princeton philosopher, has differentiated between bullshit and lies in his book On Bullshit, and concluded that bullshit can be more dangerous than lying.


Bullshit is more than a word; it is a chronic widespread system of rhetoric and representation that mystifies the truth. It has increasingly become a way of communication not only in the private sphere but has become part and parcel of Western propaganda.


What else did he have to say? Find Out Here


I expect some people reading this to have some not so nice things to say about me posting this guys thoughts.  As nicely as I can say it.......grow up.  Marwan Bishara's opinions influence a huge number of people in the Mid East.  What we might think will not change that.   The US should have learned long ago that you don't just change centuries of embedded culture, any more than you can legislate Politicaly Correct Thought or Human Nature.

Don't misunderstand, there is a way to totally change a culture.  It was practised fairly often, right up to the very last days of World War II.   The other option is negotiation.  You cannot sucessfully negoitiate with anyone unless you understand them.. and their values.  That means understand and don't meddle...

On the other hand, bending your beliefs to embrace those of another culture is seen as weakness..  Accept and embrace are two very different words.


FT had a little problem..  rhe comments there were temporaily removed, along with blog, I posted them here for safe keeping

19 comments:

  1. Grumpy - Appreciate the time you spend in research. They can not counter the facts. Undoubtedly why they resort to deleting. Damn, I'd sure be frustrated if I were still an idiot liberal.

    For the first time since the "Global War On Terror" commenced, all Combat Brigades of the 101st ABN "Screaming Eagles" are in the same Theater. I pray for them along with all our forces still in harms way. A special prayer to the 50K remaining in Iraq. Some may now be under the false hope that they are no longer in danger.

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  2. dftts - Not the troops remaining, but the people at home now thinking that theater of conflict has now ended. I am sure those still in Iraq sleep very close to their boots, helmet, and weapons.

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  3. dftts - Yep, the Economy is job 1. barry said so at the SOTUS back in January. However according to joe this has been a wonderful Summer of Recovery.

    Sorry to disagree though. I live very near Ft Campbell, KY. Home of the 101st ABN Division. Most of my friends or their spouse has served several tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. 5 are currently still there. One is an aide on General Petreaus' staff. My wife has 3 students whose fathers are in Afghanistan, and many retired friends have sons or daughters still serving. In this community, our National Security is still the number one concern.

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  4. dftts - I have heard since the gitgo that we should have leveled the place. Hardly worth the loss of one brave American life. What I hear from some returning vets when I buy them a beer or dinner at Outback or O'Charley's is "Bring on Iran or Syria". Gotta love those "Screaming Eagles"

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  5. Just got poofed, comments and all, looks like RT got hit as well

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  6. Bitterpill6 wrote:
    Grumpy - Appreciate the time you spend in research. They can not counter the facts. Undoubtedly why they resort to deleting. I'd sure be frustrated if I were still a liberal.

    For the first time since the "Global War On Terror" commenced, all Combat Brigades of the 101st ABN "Screaming Eagles" are in the same Theater. I pray for them along with all our forces still in harms way. A special prayer to the 50K remaining in Iraq. Some may now be under the false hope that they are no longer in danger
    8/31/2010 1:13 PM EDT on floridatoday.com

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  7. Grumpyelder wrote:
    Wish I could understand some of the Mid Eastern langauges, I'd love to know what the non English papers are saying.
    8/31/2010 2:08 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  8. ITWASHERIDEA wrote:
    You can always use the google translator. I find a lot of good information from the U.K. Press as well as the Tokyo News that is already translated.
    8/31/2010 2:17 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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    Grumpyelder wrote:
    The more interesting ones, especially from the 'stans seem to be in a blend of languages that don't translate well
    8/31/2010 3:26 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  9. Grumpyelder: Unique perspective to look how others perceive us and how they support their views. Reading foreign news also gives a glimpse into the stories of people and their lives "over there." Al-Jazeera has fought for recognition on the world news scene; they have it.

    Our news reports fear among the Iraqi population on deteriorating conditions after we leave and while their government still figures out how to govern.

    I don't think our remaining troops are under any false hopes that danger is over.
    8/31/2010 4:01 PM EDT on floridatoday.com

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  10. USMC-1969 wrote:
    dftts - Not the troops remaining, but the people at home now thinking that theater of conflict has now ended. I am sure those still in Iraq sleep very close to their boots, helmet, and weapons.
    8/31/2010 4:12 PM EDT on floridatoday.com

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  11. That 5:48 comment belong to dftts.. I made a mistake pasting it.

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  12. dftts wrote:
    USMC-1969: Most people I talk to don't much care about Iraq, they care about their jobs and financial strains. They are well-informed that combat troops are leaving, but that troops will be staying on. They ask why money is poured out of this country when it's so needed here. I have not heard anyone say we should be staying.
    8/31/2010 4:19 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  13. USMC-1969 wrote:
    dftts - Yep, the Economy is job 1. barry said so at the SOTUS back in January. However according to joe this has been a wonderful Summer of Recovery.

    Sorry to disagree though. I live very near Ft Campbell, KY. Home of the 101st ABN Division. Most of my friends or their spouse has served several tours in Iraq or Afghanistan. 5 are currently still there. One is an aide on General Petreaus' staff. My wife has 3 students whose fathers are in Afghanistan, and many retired friends have sons or daughters still serving. In this community, our National Security is still the number one concern.
    8/31/2010 4:45 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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    USMC-1969 wrote:
    dftts - I have heard since the gitgo that we should have leveled the place. Hardly worth the loss of one brave American life. What I hear from some returning vets when I buy them a beer or dinner at Outback or O'Charley's is "Bring on Iran or Syria". Gotta love those "Screaming Eagles"
    8/31/2010 4:49 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  14. Grumpyelder wrote:
    dftts, when we pulled back after Desert Storm I figured we'd wind up going back.

    I never thought it would be under Bush's son. WMD's could have waited as far as I was concerned. I've never been a fan of nation building, the only way you change a culture is to completely destroy it and start from scratch. Hearts and minds works on a limited basis..

    If we pull out now, we will bw going back. The Sunni-Shia thing blows up and Iran gets helpful. No thanks

    Interesting your friends are concerned about the money, but you didn't mention the soldiers on their forth, fifth and sixth tours.. A good reason to restore the draft, then everyone has a personal interest.


    8/31/2010 5:02 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  15. dftts wrote:
    Grumpy: I don't specify but included are those who have returned from multiple deployments. Happy to be alive and whole, in touch with those still on active duty, and still worried about their personal finances and jobs.
    8/31/2010 5:19 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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    Grumpyelder wrote:
    dftts.. I appreciate the other.

    That specification changes my reply a bit..

    I still believe that too many Americans don't consider the War on Terror our war.. and that if we are going to be get into a war.. everyone needs to have a personal attachment to it.
    8/31/2010 5:46 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  16. dftts wrote:
    "In this community, our National Security is still the number one concern."

    That would be key "in this community." So your community of friends and close to a base see things one way. I would say where I live that in "this community" many people equate national security with the economy and do not equate it with the 10 year war in Iraq.
    8/31/2010 5:47 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  17. dftts wrote:
    "In this community, our National Security is still the number one concern."

    That would be key "in this community." So your community of friends and close to a base see things one way. I would say where I live that in "this community" many people equate national security with the economy and do not equate it with the 10 year war in Iraq.
    8/31/2010 5:47 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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    USMC-1969 wrote:
    Grumpy - You betcha. "Skin in the game." If not a draft and a personal loved one then a Defense surtax prominatly printed on our check stubs to make us aware daily and weekly of our involvement.
    8/31/2010 6:48 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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  18. taldock wrote:
    What people fail to understand is that Muslims have a different mindset than do Americans and Western Europeans.They hate Christians and percieve that we are all Christians or Jews,even our Dear Leader.We sacrificed men and materials saving Muslims in Bosnia. In Desert Storm we Saved Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Saddam Hussein was an Imperialist and who can say what other countries he would have taken if left unchecked. But still the Muslims don't care.
    8/31/2010 7:54 PM EDT on floridatoday.com
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